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August 9th, 2018, 04:02 PM | #6 |
Lifer Location: USA | I had a National Ordnance M1 carbine years ago. I was uneducated on carbines back then and thought it was USGI. I knew it wasn't a Plainfield so took the chance.I could not get it to be reliable. Replaced springs, gas piston and more. In fact, that carbine turned me off to M1 Carbines all together. I honestly don't remember if GI parts were used or mix of GI and commercial. There have been a lot of stories regarding National Ordnance. One even went so far as stating that M1903s/A3s, M1 Carbines, M1 Garands and other weapons with National Ordnance markings were used for the Bay of Pigs so the weapons would not be directly connected to the US military. Yeah, It's a whopper of a story, but one that's been around a long time. Another story had N.O. somehow connected with Bannerman and weapons were sold to 3rd world countries. At some point I read or heard that N.O. ended up being part of Federal Ordnance. I personally owned that N.O. M1 carbine (garbage) but I have seen 2 M1903s with the same N.O. markings. Wish I could be more help, but that's all I got. |
National Ordinance is/was a commercial firm that made ersatzSpringfield rifles from purchased original spare parts and new madereceiver and other parts in the 1950's and early 1960's. They arelooked down on by collectors as non-original knock off's. Whilethey may be good shooting, safe rifles, they are not collectible.Because of this, they are generally bought and sold for 1/3 to 1/2the price of an original Springfield rifle.
- National Ordnance M-1 Carbine Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by CountryGunsmith, Mar 2, 2003.
- This web site, The U.S. Caliber.30 Carbines - Serial Numbers, has most of the answers you need.Well, it would if you had a USGI Carbine. You are reporting a post-war commercial product by National Ordnance; see National Ordnance M1 Carbine for more details.
Markings: The top of the receiver is marked “U.S. CARBINE / CAL. 30 M1” on the front, “NAT’L ORD/ INC” on the rear and with the serial number just ahead of the rear sight. The left side of the receiver is marked “SO.
The link below is to a web site that is dedicated to N. O. M1carbines.
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